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Crossbows.....Do you veiw them as Archery tackle and if so do you feel they should share the same season??? PLEASE SHARE.

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To me, shooting a crossbow does not take the same skill as a bow. In order to be a good shot with a bow you have to practice alot and have good shooting mechanics. A crossbow is just like a rifle but without the long range accuracy.

With a crossbow you still have to practice but shooting good groups at 60 yards pluss is alot easier. If you choose to shoot a crossbow, more power to you. Just not the same as general archery to me.

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I would need to disagree with Eric a little. He is right in that it takes less skill to shot and hunt with a crossbow than a compound. The same argument could be made about a long bow and a compound. I would personally not use a crossbow for hunting but think that they could be classifeid as archery tackle and should be open for use durring archery season. Maybe they should have a seperate season like they do for shotgun and muzzleloader but think that the general archery season would get cut down if they did that.

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I have been a bowhunter for 27 years and back in the day I used to think that crossbows were just the easy way out. Then I actually sat down and talked with the guys that shot them and soon realized that the crossbow didn't make them a better hunter. They still needed to get as close to the animals as I did. It's a different tool for sure.

I don't think there should have to be separate seasons for bowhunters and crossbow hunters. I think they should both be able to be used during any open archery season. Many people are threatened by the thought of someone hunting with a crossbow and I really don't know why. They still have to make the shot and make it count. I would love a chance to hunt with a crossbow, but I just love my compound way too much.

I also think that this same arguement could have been pressed back when compounds were first introduced. The recurve and longbow hunters could have said that a compound was better technology and gave an unfair advantage. I disagree because each person still has to practice, make the shot and then recover their animal. Each weapon brings its own set of unique circumstances.

I will step off my soap box now. :)

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I guess im torn over this.On one hand I think whatever it takes to get more people hunting and thats probably right. The problem I have is more people calling themselves bowhunters and not practicing until a week before season just to make sure they are on at 70yds with their crossbows. I thought bowhunting was suppose to be   a challenge. I have witnessed a few friends with their crossbows smash their bolts at 70yds,yes you have to practice but not much at all. I have no problem calling them hunters but not bowhunters. Bowhunting to me is practicing every night after work till my shoulder hurts , tuning my broadheads,hanging stands in just the right spots, watching your scent, and drawing your bow back and holding it till the shot presents itself.........Im not ready for a crossbow!  Im not against crossbows. I just cant call it Bowhunting! ........Archery tackle??? 

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Fulldraw, while I see your point, the same can be said of many true-to-form bowhunters. I know plenty of bowhunters back east that only practice a few weeks before the season, do well, kill deer and then hang up their bows at the end of the season. They are using recurves and compounds. Would you not call them bowhunters?

'Bowhunting to me is practicing every night after work till my shoulder hurts...''

Your practice regimen is awesome and I commend that! But please take into consideration where you are and your surroundings. I am going to take a guess and say that you probably have a yard or area where you CAN practice each and every night without having to pay a fee. Right? Now, guys like me here in Southern Cali have to pay to use a range or indoor facility. You have to wait for a spot, and most times these places aren't close by. And most of us don't have backyards and if we do, there are restrictions about firing a bow in the city limits. I am originally from NY and did have plenty of area to practice on the farms I worked. Out here it's a totally different ball game.

Each hunter approaches his or her hunting options in a different way. I only ask that you also take into consideration all of the other factors that may be.

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Forest Crawler thanks for your point of view. I have an opinion on here right? I guess I take my land for granted to shoot and hunt on and didnt take into concideration that others might not be able to do the same. My opinion was I had a hard time calling a CROSSBOW archery tackle, basically because it involves less skill and practice . I have no problems with crossbows, I just cant call them archery tackle is all. I really didnt get on here for debates, just to see the opinions from other bowhunters and share.  Thanks Chris.

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Chris, please do not feel like I am attacking you. On the contrary, I was merely stating my opinion, too. This forum was created for exactly what we are doing, sharing our ideas and opinions and discussing them. To answer your questions, yes, you most certainly do have an opinion and I for one am glad that we have a way to share it with other hunters. Please continue to do so! I encourage it.

Much of what is said on this site, and others, is brought up for debate. What you bring up about crossbows is a debate that has gone on for a long time and I was stoked you brought it up. I was merely addressing what you wrote in here and just wanted to share my opinion as well. While I may play Devil's Advocate on occasion, it's good to see someone continue on and share exactly what is on his mind.

The crossbow as archery tackle can be argued so many ways. I am of the opinion that it should be considered archery tackle. I agree with you that it may not require the same amount of practice,  but it still requires a certain skill set. Just like a rifle or shotgun.

I hope a few of you other guys pipe up and speak your minds too. I encourage it and so does the entire Pro Staff. We even have different opinions amongst one another and that is great.

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Me personally, I do not feel that crossbows should be lumped in with general archery.  I can't articulate anything beyond what has already been argued for 30 years, but I just feel that it's kind of like cheating.  Not calling names, but speaking about how I would feel using one.  Here in AZ, I have enjoyed true western spot and stalk bow hunting, along with ALL of the many ups and downs, pros and cons, etc.  With the hard work I put in on each and every hunt, stalk and shot, I would just plain feel like I was cheating.  Period.  Now, if a crossbow is for you, go for it and good luck hunting.  I do have to admit, it does get entertaining sometimes to watch Uncle Ted use a crossbow and just pile up deer or pigs one after the other.  But I would love the chance to do that with my bow.

I also personally like the way it's set up here in AZ.  No crossbows UNLESS you have a disability that makes you unable to use a bow.  That allows for new hunters and aging archers to continue the passion.  But adding crossbows would only take away from our precious few elk archery tags and give them to people that by the law of numbers show just don't care.  We already have enough issues with this same demographic group pulling some serious stunts with the general rifle tag.  While the elk are NOT mine alone and everyone has an equal right to our natural resources, I firmly believe that bow hunters as a group, are more ethical and dedicated to doing the right thing and hunting safely with conservation in mind.  And we still have nimrods in the bow hunting community, so I feel making it a little easier would just wreak havoc on our archery hunts.  If anyone doubts me, come out during a general rifle deer hunt and I can show you some stuff that would just blow your mind!  There is NO WAY you would want some of that stuff brought into the archery hunts.  Hey Crawler, I think I just found your soap box.   You can have it back now.

I also need to say cudos to all involved in this discussion.  This forum is a great way to exchange thoughts and opinions and some topics can get touchy.  If I wanted heated arguments and cussing, I would tell the wife she can't go shopping anymore because I needed more money for hunting gear.  Works everytime.

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 well said Crounsebd, I couldn't agree more.

My brother was still able to bowhunt Elk and Deer well into his eighties with a bad shoulder thganks to a drawlock. He loved bowhunting and was worried he'd have to quit before he got his drawlock, so it extended his hunting career, and his life by a few years.

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Personally I do not care for crossbows. It is set up the same here in ID as it is in AZ from the way it sounds and just like Crounsebd I am happy that it is set up that way (we also don't allow in-line muzzle loaders). You can hunt with a crossbow IF you are disabled and have a permit. I have a friend that was in the same situation as Tuffy. He is an ex military officer who had damage to his shoulder and could not pull his bow back but could get a crossbow. He was able to continue hunting. Also going along with Fulldraw in the fact that anything that introduces or helps people out to enjoy the sport of hunting I am for it and more power to them.

I also would have to agree with Forrest_Crawler on the fact that it should be considered Archery Tackle, yes it does require less practice. In my opinion this is why. A firearm of course is weapon capable of firing a projectile and using an explosive charge as a propellant. Archery is the art, sport, or skill of shooting with a bow and arrow. And a crossbow is a bow fixed transversely on a wooden stock (or fiberglass etc.) grooved to direct the arrow. This is just my opinion and I really enjoy hearing others opinion on this topic. 

 

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 My father is disabled and has a permit to archery hunt with a crossbow.  For now, this is the only way that you can use them in the Missouri archery season.  I am thankful that he has the opportunity to share time in the woods with me during archery season which he would otherwise not be physically able to. 

  I believe that most archery hunters do it for the same reasons that I do, the up close and personal encounters that archery affords me.  If someone choses to use a crossbow to get the feeling of that "spirit of the wild" then who am I to say it is wrong?  I personally love my compound bow and that will always be my choice.  A good friend of mine chooses to use a recurve bow.  To each thier own.....

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Thanks to everyone who commented on this. I really enjoyed reading your comments and opinions. Its great to hear and learn from others that share the same passion. @ Hunt Fish Live, im glad to hear your father can still participate and enjoy archery season by using a crossbow and I wish you guys many more seasons. Thanks again  Chris. 

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Ok, How do yall feel about spears? Just askin cuz I loves me a good spear hunt.

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LMAO, Smoke. That's just too funny.

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Heck-ya, GET SOME!

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Heck-ya, GET SOME!