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Help!  I've been at this archery thing for just a year and have learned more than I ever imagined I'd have to know.  Yesterday I went and bought new arrows and had my bow checked over to make sure it's in good working order and still safe.  When the tech saw my pins he noticed the spacing between them was "wierd".  My immediate thought was that the arrows go where I want them so I slipped up and asked him, "Why?"

His explaination was that I should be seeing the sight ring in the same position for each pin.  Okay, he's working in the pro shop making adjustments and seems to know what he's talking about so I'll give it a try.  Well the short story is first of all I can't see the entire ring around the sight when looking through the peep.  Second the ring is in a different position for every pin.  I have a terrible feeling that my peep may not be in the correct position.  I should also note that I shoot right handed and am left eye dominate and therefore have to shoot with one eye closed. 

Any input or suggestions would be appreciated. 

 

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Welcome back, Chris!

It does sound like your peep is off. Too high or too low. Did he try to get it set right for you? You should be able to see the entire ring and column of pins. What sight it is and how big is your peep? Your peep may be entirely too small for your pin set. I'll be heading to Bass Pro on Sat and Sun if you are around and want me to take a look at it.

I shoot with one eye closed, too. Just the way that works for me.

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Thanks Al!!

I wouldn't mind taking a ride to the IE to talk with someone I trust.  Are you working there or ???  What times? 

 

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I'll be there Saturday and Sunday afternoon. Seminar starts at 4 PM. Tomorrow I am helping another guy get his bow set up and tuned. I'll have time after the seminar or on Sunday to take a look at it.

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Here's a chance for a shameless plug.  What's the seminar about and how much?

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The seminar is FREE, courtesy of Bass Pro and myself, and it is Getting Into Archery. I posted the topics over on my blog. I'll be sticking around for a Q&A after, too.

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I guess I have no choice!

I'll see you there!

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 Sounds like your peep may be a little small, BUT it also sounds like you're moving your face (or eye) up or down depending on the yardage to make your shot.  This is a no no in shooting.  You always want that third axis ring perfectly in your peep.  This tells you that you are anchoring up in the same spot every time.  Same anchor point every time is a must in getting consistant groups.  You can get a bigger peep, or you can carefully drill a slightly bigger hole until the ring fits perfectly in the peep.  You also may find that being left eye dominant is going to also pose a problem.  One of my friends shoots left handed now because of it.    PM me if you have anymore questions.  I'll try to help out as much as I can.

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I believe that Forest Crawler narrowed down my problem.  He said I was a moron.  No, it looks like my draw length is too short.  First indication is that I can't get any part of my face near the string at full draw.  I'm going to have the draw length changed tomorrow and it will bring the peep closer to my eye, hopefully making the entire ring visible. 

As far as shooting lefty, I did work with several bows both recurve and compound and just could never get comfortable pulling the string with the left hand.  I did start a conversation with an opthomologist regarding laser surgery on both eyes and ending up with a right eye dominate situation.  It would help me a bunch for archery and shotgunning.  His response to me was, "I'm not sure, but I think it can be done, I'll check."  I'm waiting to hear back

Thanks for the input, it's always appreciated.

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 What kind of bow are you shooting? Also, I wouldn't say you're a moron. I would say the guy who originally set up your bow is.  How would you know that your draw is too short?  

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 He's joking. I never called him a moron. I took a look at his bow yesterday and found that his draw length was set 2" short on his bow. Once they fix the DL then they can adjust his peep. I think you are going to find it amazingly different once that's fixed and you'll love it. Let me know and we will go shooting Chris.

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I was kidding.  Forest Crawler would never call me a moron, he's too much of a gentleman. 

Al spotted the short draw and then as I thought through it and back to my initial lessons it made perfect sense. 

Tomorrow I'll be taking the bow in for a longer draw setting.  Will have to see how the tech handles my comments.  I'm ever the optomist and hope they will make good.  If not I'll be heading to Los Alamitos to a different shop.  One way or the other I need to get it right before the season gets here.  I'm hoping that my groups will get tighter at the longer distances. 

Also, for the record, it's really nice to have a forum to come to to get honest, helpful information.  Being a new guy on the block can be really difficult.  Everyone here has been extremely helpful and most gracious. 

Thanks again.

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Okay.  Here's the outcome.

I went back to the store where I bought my PSE and explained my situation and the concensus that my draw length was too short.  I strapped on the no release release and pulled to full draw and immediately heard, "Let me lengthen the draw."  A couple of screws and another draw and what do you know, I can see the entire ring through the peep.  The next step was to step on the range and fire some arrows.  Three arrows almost touching.  Now I have to spend the time to re-set all the pins. 

The lesson learned here?  Listen first, then ask questions.  If I hadn't been listening when the passing comment about my unusual pin settings was made I would still be shooting with a short draw.  Second lesson is that when you can see the whole ring of the sight it's much easier to detect when you are gripping the bow and not holding it. 

Thanks again guys.  Tomorrow it's time to adjust the pins. 

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That is good news! I'll bet you get those pins dialed in quick, too. Glad you got it taken care of so quickly. Good luck!

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Well, it wasn't quite that easy. 

After fiddling with my bow and sights long enough to make my elbow scream at me I had to pack it in.  I just couldn't get a good sight picture consistently.  So, off to seek professional help again.  This time I went to Archery Outpost and met a young gentleman named Conner. 

After watching me shoot a few arrows and trying a couple of quick adjustments he made major changes to my set up.  His words of wisdom, that I'll never forget, were, "Make the bow fit the archer, not the archer fit the bow."  For a year I've been torqued and twisted each time I draw the string.  After shortening my draw a half inch and moving my peep down an inch or so I can now draw, anchor and have my nose touching the string without having to struggle, twist and turn to fit the bow.  With a little practice I'm sure it's going to be much easier to be consistent.  I just have to break all the habits I built up this past year. 

I was impressed with Conner's knowledge and willingness to help me.  i was impressed with the layout of the store and the range.  I was impressed with all the employees and archers that I had contact with.  Everyone was smiling and happy.  I will return. 

Oh yeah.  I can see the ring around my sight and feel the string on my nose, just like the book says I should!!!!

 

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